Anyone know what the fuck this meathead is talking about? Maybe it says more about me than them that they've managed to piss me off and live rent-free in my head with this one gormless post.
it's either an XKCD 2071 moment or just them inventing a guy to be mad about (or, alternatively, had the displeasure of encountering a "MAGA communist"
Right, I forgot those exist. Had to look up xkcd 2071, but that would still imply that they actually came into contact with people like this. MAGA communists notwithstanding (which I should hope anyone should be able to detect), I just don't believe that.
But maybe. I guess them not being able to detect them would explain why they think MLs support Putin.
Not sure why you would want to do that, or why you would agree with that sentiment. I'm pretty disappointed.
For the future: People who disagree on literally everything, and make one another out to be sworn enemies, don't have anything worth noting in common. MLs don't have strongmen any more than any other progressives do. We don't like Stalin because he was "tough"; if you keep your eyes out, we tend to fight against the propaganda that he was some sort of brute and instead talk about his philosophy, writings, economic and diplomatic strategy, and antifascism. The fact that he was a poet and doodled wolves in the margins of his speech notes. That he became horribly depressed when Germany invaded, and refused to leave Moscow when it was at risk of being encircled. No one thinks Stalin was amazing because he trounced his opposition and oppressed people. So what other so-called strongmen would you associate us with?
You can disagree. I disagree with anarchists. You don't see me sharing stuff dunking on them, because as it stands, we're on the same team. And I have never heard of Lenin being described as a strongman before.
well that's nice of you but for the record you totally can dunk on anarchists, who can be ridiculous and inadvertently hilarious sometimes. What I said about Lenin is that he was a personal power monger. And that MLs have strongman shit going on.
And you're wrong, and to push that is to push the same western propaganda that's been pushed since the start of the Cold War. It's to run defence for social democrats through to neoliberals. This isn't the same as finding your allies inadvertently hilarious.
Imagine if, for instance, I compared anarchists to Elon Musk because they're both libertarians, or something. You probably wouldn't even know where to begin with that amount of bullshit, and it wouldn't be funny, it would just be divisive.
mmm well that does sound annoying. But also silly because, like, it's me. I'm the anarchist. When it comes right down to it, I just disrespect Lenin the same way I disrespect Obama and Putin and Trump and Lula and every single one of them. Sorry not sorry, that's part of the package. I'm not shit talking you, I'm laughing at an insult towards Lenin. Frankly it's probably healthy for those who embrace leaders that way to have their leaders mocked in front of them.
It isn't mockery, it's falsehoods. It isn't silliness, it's spreading western anticommunist propaganda. It's counterrevolution. Lenin is the one who coined self-criticism; we know plenty about taking our leaders to trial and not lionizing anyone. The issue isn't "you said mean things about the guy I like", it's how horribly false it is, how damaging it is, and how relevant it is for that insult to be a comparison to the modern world's most powerful fascist. It's very fucked up, and if that's your idea of doing what's politically right, then you may as well join up with the MAGA communists, because, ironically, you're saying the exact same things they are.
@Sally Strange @Comrade Ferret Why are you siding with liberal anti-communists even if you can get an own in on MLs? That lib would easily throw you under the bus just the same
Btw what is a strongman to you and what does Trump have in common with Lenin? To me, they don't rly have anything in common
Although..... okay okay, it is a fact that Lenin was rly strong, he was big into lifting hehe
I edited this cuz original was too hostile and I'm tired of internet fighting recently
Not all anarchists, but man I hope the next American thing to die is COINTELPRO-esque bullshit like this. Pallas may not be a fed, but they've certainly drunk a lot of the Kool-aid to make punching left a central part of their identity.
And that's as much bandwidth as anyone who unironically uses "tankie" to refer to anything other than the 1956 Hungarian counterrevolution can have from me, for now.
Yeah, they repeated that in the conversation before I blocked them for my own sanity. I figured that shit had died in the last few years but apparently, yeah, there's still radlibs out there that think they're fighting the good fight by targeting "tankies".
@Comrade Ferret Pure lib brain lol, I assume they're referring to foreign aid programs relating to HIV
Email factory NGO mindset - "When there's more western aid, AIDS rates go down, when there's less western aid, AIDS rates go up!!!! Uhhh the "developing world" just...... does that, they just have HIV there. Just how it works......". Just no further analysis there, not only is poverty considered an original condition, so is HIV infection apparently
And tbh..... it also displays a kind of implicit white supremacy, with liberals its always about how we can send OUR money and OUR specialists to help the naturally helpless third world and ofc the actual long-term outcome of aid like that is just an increasing dependency and perpetuation of the imperialist relationship
HIV rates will drop if the American empire stops or at least eases up on the political meddling in the third world lmao. Turns out it's difficult to build a functional medical system when there are CIA-and-USAID-sponsored civil wars and color revolutions happening all the time, particularly when some government wants any kind of escape from the neocolonial world system
Cysio
in reply to Comrade Ferret • • •Comrade Ferret
in reply to Cysio • •Right, I forgot those exist. Had to look up xkcd 2071, but that would still imply that they actually came into contact with people like this. MAGA communists notwithstanding (which I should hope anyone should be able to detect), I just don't believe that.
But maybe. I guess them not being able to detect them would explain why they think MLs support Putin.
Cysio
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in reply to Cysio • •Comrade Ferret
in reply to Comrade Ferret • •Sally Strange
in reply to Comrade Ferret • • •Comrade Ferret
in reply to Sally Strange • •Not sure why you would want to do that, or why you would agree with that sentiment. I'm pretty disappointed.
For the future: People who disagree on literally everything, and make one another out to be sworn enemies, don't have anything worth noting in common. MLs don't have strongmen any more than any other progressives do. We don't like Stalin because he was "tough"; if you keep your eyes out, we tend to fight against the propaganda that he was some sort of brute and instead talk about his philosophy, writings, economic and diplomatic strategy, and antifascism. The fact that he was a poet and doodled wolves in the margins of his speech notes. That he became horribly depressed when Germany invaded, and refused to leave Moscow when it was at risk of being encircled. No one thinks Stalin was amazing because he trounced his opposition and oppressed people. So what other so-called strongmen would you associate us with?
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Sally Strange
in reply to Comrade Ferret • • •Comrade Ferret
in reply to Sally Strange • •Sally Strange
in reply to Comrade Ferret • • •Comrade Ferret
in reply to Sally Strange • •And you're wrong, and to push that is to push the same western propaganda that's been pushed since the start of the Cold War. It's to run defence for social democrats through to neoliberals. This isn't the same as finding your allies inadvertently hilarious.
Imagine if, for instance, I compared anarchists to Elon Musk because they're both libertarians, or something. You probably wouldn't even know where to begin with that amount of bullshit, and it wouldn't be funny, it would just be divisive.
Sally Strange
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in reply to Sally Strange • •PaX
in reply to Sally Strange • •@Sally Strange @Comrade Ferret Why are you siding with liberal anti-communists even if you can get an own in on MLs? That lib would easily throw you under the bus just the same
Btw what is a strongman to you and what does Trump have in common with Lenin? To me, they don't rly have anything in common
Although..... okay okay, it is a fact that Lenin was rly strong, he was big into lifting hehe
I edited this cuz original was too hostile and I'm tired of internet fighting recently
LucyWrambles
in reply to Comrade Ferret • • •From their bio, attached...
Not all anarchists, but man I hope the next American thing to die is COINTELPRO-esque bullshit like this. Pallas may not be a fed, but they've certainly drunk a lot of the Kool-aid to make punching left a central part of their identity.
And that's as much bandwidth as anyone who unironically uses "tankie" to refer to anything other than the 1956 Hungarian counterrevolution can have from me, for now.
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in reply to Comrade Ferret • •@Comrade Ferret Pure lib brain lol, I assume they're referring to foreign aid programs relating to HIV
Email factory NGO mindset - "When there's more western aid, AIDS rates go down, when there's less western aid, AIDS rates go up!!!! Uhhh the "developing world" just...... does that, they just have HIV there. Just how it works......". Just no further analysis there, not only is poverty considered an original condition, so is HIV infection apparently
And tbh..... it also displays a kind of implicit white supremacy, with liberals its always about how we can send OUR money and OUR specialists to help the naturally helpless third world and ofc the actual long-term outcome of aid like that is just an increasing dependency and perpetuation of the imperialist relationship
HIV rates will drop if the American empire stops or at least eases up on the political meddling in the third world lmao. Turns out it's difficult to build a functional medical system when there are CIA-and-USAID-sponsored civil wars and color revolutions happening all the time, particularly when some government wants any kind of escape from the neocolonial world system